A Trail Runner’s Primer On Public Lands

Fastpacking with Anna Frost in the Uinta Mountains of Utah, August 2014. Photo: iRunFar/Bryon Powell

Recent significant changes to the Angeles Crest 100 Mile Endurance Run’s course struck a nerve in the ultrarunning community. An online appeal petitioning the White House to reverse the alterations was initiated. [Author’s Note: The petition has been archived because it failed to reach the 100,000 signatures needed for an official response.] The subsequent discussion among runners and the public indicated that:

  1. Trail runners are extremely passionate about our sport, and
  2. An introduction to federal land-use processes may help explain many of the questions that surface when the debate on race routes arise.

Why must courses, like Angeles Crest’s, change? Why are off-road event participant numbers extremely limited on federal lands? Why can’t races be held on epic routes like the Bright Angel or John Muir Trails?

John Muir Wilderness Area. Photo: Ian Torrence

Manifest Destiny?

The historic ebb and flow of federal-land ownership follows an ironic take-and-give-and-take narrative. Beginning with the conclusion of the American Revolution, the nation fought, bought, and seized land in order to grow in prominence and worth alongside the other countries of the world. Subsequently, to encourage western expansion into these newly acquired territories and exploit the resources therein, the federal government began to off-load much of this amassed public land.

Starting in 1850, through a series of Homesteading Acts, settlers, farmers, and businesses willing to fulfill each of the acts’ specific requirements could, for free or at very little cost, turn public land private and call it their own. These acts succeeded in privatizing much of the lands east of the Mississippi. However, in the western U.S., these programs failed due to fraud, poor record keeping, unrealistic binding-contract requirements (such as planting an inordinate amount of trees, producing crops in unproductive soils or building costly homes and structures), conflict with indigenous cultures, and the simple infallible fact that living in the dry, remote west was a cruel ordeal.

Finally, in 1976, Congress formally approved the Federal Land Policy and Management Act (FLPMA), which did away with homesteading (except in Alaska until the mid-1980s), declared that all remaining public land would remain under public ownership (unless it’s exchanged for land of equal value or sold for a fair price) and officially charged a few specific federal agencies to manage these areas for multiple uses while preserving their natural resources.

Federal Public Land Agencies

Four federal agencies currently manage the bulk of America’s public land: the National Park Service (NPS), Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), Forest Service (USFS), and Bureau of Land Management (BLM). There are other popularly visited public land managing agencies, like the United States Army Corps of Engineers (CoE) and Bureau of Reclamation (USBR), which administer smaller acreages. Figure 1 describes these bureaus and where they’re situated in the land-management hierarchy (largest-acreage holder to smallest).

Figure 1. Federal Public Land Managing Agencies

Bureau Government Department Year Founded Total Acreage (in millions of acres) Units Number of National Monuments Managed (some are co-managed between agencies) Wilderness Acreage (in millions of acres) Purpose/ Responsibility
BLM Interior 1946 247.3 Multiple districts mostly over the 12 western states (including Alaska) 25 8.7 Manages mostly rangeland, subsurface minerals, oil, gas, grazing, timber, wildlife habitat, recreation
USFS Agriculture 1905 192.9 154 national forests, 20 national grasslands 11 36.5 Manages mostly forest, grazing, timber, wildlife habitat, recreation
FWS Interior 1940 89.1 560 7 19.8 Conserves plants & animals, wildlife-related activities (hiking, hunting, education) have priority over consumptive uses
NPS Interior 1916 79.6 412 84 43.9 Preserves unique resources, provides for visitor enjoyment, little to no consumptive use
CoE Defense 1802 12.0 2,500 recreation areas None None Manages public-works projects, provides water-based outdoor recreation
USBR Interior 1902 7.1 12 national recreation areas (administered by NPS & USFS), 11 FWS-administered projects None None Manages western US water resources (including irrigation, water supply, hydroelectric power)

Today, roughly 640 million acres, or almost a third of the country, fall under the auspices of the federal government. As you move west, land-ownership asymmetry becomes apparent. In the 11 most contiguous western states a whopping 47% of the land base is public or federally owned, while east of the Mississippi River the federal government manages a scant 4%.

Colorado National Monument. Photo: Ian Torrence

Managing For Multiple Use

Conceptually, due to numerous levels of administration, federal-land governance appears pyramid-like. At ground level, the vast majority of public land is open to the greatest utility and regulated by legislation open to wide interpretation by their managing agency. However, as you climb upward, regulations on certain relatively small, unique parcels become very specific. Add to this the fact that each agency’s enabling responsibilities are packaged with weighted emphasis on certain functions (see Figure 1) and confusion inevitably ensues deciphering what the public can do and where.

The overarching purpose of public land is to supply the nation with “multiple use” opportunities. These liberties include recreation, timber harvesting, research, mineral extraction, habitat conservation, grazing, watershed protection, wilderness, and wind-, water-, and solar-power generation. However, these uses can contradict one another. For example, how does one mine for copper without impacting the local watershed and wildlife? How can timber be acquired without affecting the scenery? How will a trail race be held without disturbing non-participatory visitors?

Here are two government-orchestrated pathways developed to answer the question, “Is a ‘use’ justifiable in this location and, if so, how will it be implemented?”

National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA)
This 1970 environmental law requires all federal agencies to develop detailed reports that outline the impacts of any action taken on federal land. Its purpose is to prevent damage to the environment while developing an extensive understanding of the proposed activity. There are three levels to NEPA compliance.

Joshua Tree National Park. Photo: Ian Torrence

Federal Land Designation
With a pen stroke, the most powerful and precise manner in which the federal government can declare, irrefutably, land intent. Figure 2 describes the most prevalent designation titles and what activities can and cannot take place.

Figure 2. Federal Public Land Designations

Designation Designators Management Description & Restrictions Acreage (in millions of acres unless noted otherwise)
Wilderness Area (WA) Congress, managed by NPS, BLM, FWS, USFS Wilderness Act of 1964, highest form of protected public land because of its great natural value and character. No roads, motorized use, structures, logging, mining. 109 (including Alaska and Hawaii), 52 in lower-48 states John Muir WA, Gates of the Arctic WA, Bob Marshall WA, Florida Keys WA
National Park (NP) Congress, managed by NPS Land preserved for natural & historic character. 52 Yellowstone NP, Yosemite NP, Shenandoah NP, Glacier NP, Great Smokies NP
National Monument (NM) Congress or President (by authority of The 1906 Antiquities Act), managed by NPS, BLM, USFS, FWS Set aside to protect & enhance enjoyment for future generations. Activities allowed depend on purpose of monument, land-managing agency, pre-monument use. See this comprehensive list. San Gabriel Mountains NM, Canyons of the Ancients NM, Belmont-Paul Women’s Equality NM, Ocmulgee NM
National Conservation Area (NCA) Congress, managed by BLM Set aside to protect & enhance enjoyment for future generations. 3.7 Red Rock Canyon NCA, El Malpais NCA, none east of Mississippi River
Wilderness Study Area (WSA) BLM Roadless areas studied & managed for possible future wilderness-area designation. No permanent improvements but may allow bikes and ORV use. 12.7 Behind the Rocks WSA, Handies Peak WSA, none east of Mississippi River
National Recreation Area (NRA) Congress, managed by BLM, USFS, NPS Designated due to abundance of land & water recreation opportunities. 3.2 managed by USFS, 3.7 by NPS, 8.1 by BLM Lake Mead NRA, Lake Meredith NRA, Santa Monica Mountains NRA
National Forest (NF) Congress, managed by USFS Land managed for multiple uses. 188.3 White Mountain NF, George Washington NF, Ouachita NF
National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) Congress, managed by FWS Managed by FWS to protect wildlife & habitat. 89.1 Desert NWR, Wapack NWR, Shawangunk Grasslands NWR
Wild, Scenic, and Recreational River (WSR)
Congress, managed by BLM, USFS, NPS, CoE, and some states Protect free-flowing water. Dam building, mining prohibited. 12,700 miles of 208 rivers designated Verde River WSR, American River WSR, Red River WSR
Roadless Areas USFS Preservation of clean water & critical wildlife habitat. Road building, logging, ORV use prohibited. 58.5 See a 2011 summary here.

Grand Canyon National Park. Photo: Ian Torrence

Misinterpretation, Conflict, and Rebellion

Environmental law and federal designations were designed with the public’s best interests in mind. However, when conservationism collides with potential business opportunities and nationwide interests don’t mesh with local ways of life, emotions run high and conflict results. Here are some prominent land-use disagreements.

Yellowstone National Park. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

Competitive Events On Federal Land

Our sport doesn’t escape the great public land use debate. Occasionally, a favorite trail event gets cancelled, must alter its race route, and/or operate under restrictions due to governmental decisions. Figure 3 illustrates several events that have been or are currently affected by federal land policy.

Figure 3. Trail Races & Ultramarathons Affected by Federal Policy

Race Agency Reason for Action Result
Angeles Crest 100 Mile Endurance Run USFS Pleasant View Ridge Wilderness Area Course rerouted in 2016 because of wilderness area.
Badwater Ultramarathon USFS John Muir Wilderness Area Course shortened to finish at Whitney Portal instead of Mt. Whitney summit because of wilderness area.
Badwater Ultramarathon NPS Death Valley National Park safety review Event suspended within park boundaries in 2014 pending safety review.
Las Vegas Red Rock Fat Ass BLM La Madre Mountain Wilderness Area Event permitted and course rerouted around wilderness in 2010.
Western States 100 Mile Endurance Run USFS Granite Chief Wilderness Area Participants capped at 369 in 1988.
Timberline Trail Marathon USFS Mt. Hood Wilderness Area Course rerouted in 2009 because of wilderness area.
La Luz Trail Run USFS Sandia Mountains Wilderness Area Cap on participant numbers (400) to lessen impact on wilderness area.
Kilauea Volcano Runs NPS Hawaii Volcanoes Wilderness Area & area’s cultural significance to native Hawaiians Event cancelled after 2008 because of wilderness-area designation and area’s cultural significance.
49er Double Marathon NPS Phillip Burton Wilderness Area Event cancelled because of wilderness area. Miwok 100k created on alternate course as a result.
Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run BLM Handies Peak Wilderness Study Area Environmental Assessment (EA) completed to approve a multi-year Special Recreation Permit

As evident in Figure 3, events take a backseat when the two most tightly protected land designations, wilderness areas and national parks, are involved. Similarly, numerous proposed races don’t reach fruition because of the outcome of the NEPA decision-making process. Here’s a look at how and why the strictest land designations and law compliance affect trail-race organization.

Agua Fria National Monument. Photo: Ian Torrence

Wilderness Areas

The United States set worldwide precedence with the creation of the Wilderness Act of 1964 by becoming the first country to legislatively define and designate wilderness. The Act describes wilderness as:

“…lands designated for preservation and protection in their natural condition… an area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man… an area of undeveloped Federal land retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent improvement or human habitation… has outstanding opportunities for solitude or a primitive and unconfined type of recreation… shall be devoted to the public purposes of recreation, scenic, scientific, educational, conservation and historic use.”

High Uintas Wilderness Area. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

Wilderness designation can begin at the grassroots level. Citizens and/or advocacy groups recommend potential wilderness areas to their elected representatives. If approved, Congress finalizes its boundaries and sends it on to the president for ratification. Wilderness isn’t elusive and can be found in the mountains, deserts, swamps, and grasslands that span our nation. All four major land agencies (NPS, USFS, BLM, and FWS) manage these areas. “There’s also still a lot of roadless country that could be designated as wilderness,” says Paul Torrence, a former board member of the Wilderness Land Trust. “We could theoretically double the size of the existing Wilderness Preservation System with what’s still out there. If we don’t protect the wild then we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. I don’t think any trail runner can live in a concrete jungle.”

The Act dictates what can and cannot take place on wilderness-designated land: “…there shall be no commercial enterprise and no permanent road… there shall be no temporary road, no use of motor vehicles, motorized equipment or motorboats, no landing of aircraft, no other form of mechanical transport, and no structure or installation within any such area.”

However, the Act does allow for mining on valid claims, access to private lands within or adjacent to wilderness areas, fire control, insect and disease control, grazing, water-supply structures, and many forms of recreation, including trail running.

That said, trail races are extremely difficult to hold in wilderness areas. According to University of Montana’s Wilderness.net, “Competitive events in wilderness tend to lessen the wilderness experience for others. There are many opportunities for such events outside of wilderness.”

Permit applicants often misinterpret the Act’s special provision in Section 4(d) as justification for an event: “…commercial services may be performed within the wilderness areas… to the extent necessary for activities which are proper for realizing the recreational or other wilderness purposes of the areas.”

“Words and phrases can be cherry picked from any legal document,” says Torrence. “However, you must consider the Act’s purpose as a whole when interpreting a piece. This provision was added to allow for horseback, backpacking, fishing, or hunting outfitters to guide ill-equipped or inexperienced users through the wilderness safely.”

Nevertheless, there are exceptions. When local organizations and their federal counterparts work in unison, concessions can occur. “You have a voice. All you have to do is speak up,” says Torrence. “Invest the time. Once land managers see your interest and hear your input they’ll learn you’re a stakeholder. You can’t be ignored.”

There are at least three major trail races that occur in wilderness areas today: The Western States 100 Mile Endurance Run, Highlands Sky 40 Mile Trail Run, and La Luz Trail Race (See Figure 4). The Hardrock Hundred Mile Endurance Run passes through a BLM Wilderness Study Area, which for all intents and purposes is managed as wilderness. “Getting permission to hold Hardrock through a wilderness study area was a huge accomplishment,” says Hardrock race director Dale Garland. “It required us to work with and communicate extensively with the BLM and develop a great working relationship with political leadership at the federal level.”

Flat Tops Wilderness Area. Photo: Ian Torrence

National Parks

In 1872 Yellowstone became the United States’s first national park. Today, 59 national parks, administered by the National Park Service, can be found in 27 states. The purpose of the NPS is, according to its founding legislation, the 1916 Organic Act, is to:

“…to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and wildlife therein, and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations.”

“Proposed units to the National Park Service must pass specific criteria,” says Nancy Hendricks, the Supervisory Environmental Protection Specialist at Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. “According to NPS 2006 Management Policies, newly added areas must be nationally significant, not already adequately represented within the NPS, big enough for the public to enjoy, and capable of being administered by the Service cost-wise.”

Big Bend National Park. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

The Organic Act doesn’t disallow competitive events. For example, Crater Lake, Black Canyon of the Gunnison, Saguaro, Death Valley, Acadia, Hot Springs, and Bryce National Parks all host road races. Trail events also occur but less frequently (See Figure 4). There are three key reasons for this discrepancy.

  1. Conflicts with the park’s mission statement: An event may be turned away if it disrupts a visitor’s experience or affects the environment. For example, the Grand Canyon National Park’s foundation statement states the park will provide the visitor the ability to “experience solitude, natural sounds, clean air, and dark night skies.”
  2. Safety concerns: It’s extremely difficult and expensive to access injured people in the backcountry.
  3. Specific laws can prohibit events. For example, the Wilderness Act and Endangered Species Act of 1973 can forbid an event from passing through an area.

“The policies are clear,” says Hendricks. “Special events, including competitive events, may be permitted by the superintendent when (1) there is a meaningful association between the park area and the event, and (2) the event will contribute to visitor understanding of the significance of the park area. Permits are intended to mitigate damage to park resources. The NPS won’t permit an event when it’s conducted primarily for the material or financial benefit of a for-profit entity, awards participants an appearance fee or prizes of more than nominal value, or charges a separate public-admission fee. Lastly, permits will not be issued in NPS wilderness areas.”

Canyonlands National Park. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

National Monuments

The President of the United States can expand the protections given to federal land by using the 1906 Antiquities Act:

“…in his discretion, to declare by public proclamation historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest that are situated upon the lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States to be national monuments.”

Many of our beloved playgrounds, like the Grand Canyon, Zion, Joshua Tree, Olympic, and Death Valley were national monuments before they became national parks. Established to safeguard significant historical, archeological, and natural areas, national monuments are found throughout the west and administered by the NPS, BLM, USFS, and FWS.

Congress can also designate monuments.

The Antiquities Act doesn’t prohibit competitive events. Activities that existed before a monument ‘upgrade’ usually continue. Similar to national-park policy, the local administrative office still make the final permit decisions. For example, the Grand Staircase-Escalante and California Coastal National Monuments do not allow races. However, many monuments allow for competitive events by avoiding other recreational and natural conflicts (See Figure 4).

Figure 4. Trail Races & Ultramarathons Held in Wilderness Areas (and Study Areas), National Parks & National Monuments

Race Agency Surface Designation
Badwater Ultramarathon NPS Paved road Death Valley National Park
Western States 100 Mile Endurance Run USFS Trail Granite Chief Wilderness Area
Hardrock Hundred Endurance Run BLM Trail Handies Peak Wilderness Study Area
La Luz Trail Run USFS Trail Sandia Mountains Wilderness Area
Angeles Crest 100 Mile Endurance Run USFS Trail (& now paved road) San Gabriel Mountains National Monument
Dipsea, Double Dipsea, & Quad Dipsea NPS Trail Muir Woods National Monument
Burning River 100 Mile NPS Trail, paved road Cuyahoga Valley National Park
Towpath Marathon NPS Trail Cuyahoga Valley National Park
Highlands Sky 40-Mile Trail Run USFS Trail Dolly Sods & Roaring Plains West Wilderness Areas
Platte Valley Companies Nebraska’s Monument Marathon NPS Paved road, dirt road Scotts Bluff National Monument
Miwok 100k NPS Trail Muir Woods National Monument
Eco-Extreme Trail Run NPS Trail Channel Islands National Park
The North Face Endurance Challenge 50-Mile Championships NPS Trail Muir Woods National Monument
Mount Disappointment Endurance Runs USFS Trail San Gabriel Mountains National Monument
Death Valley Trail Marathon NPS Dirt road Death Valley National Park
Angel Fire Endurance Runs USFS Trail Rio Grande Del Norte National Monument

Handies Peak Wilderness Study Area. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

Where Does This Leave Trail Racing?

Land designation and government paperwork may seem restrictive and cumbersome. However, we can leverage these elements in our favor. Utilizing public land opens trail running to great opportunity, improves event organization, and promotes us as leaders in land advocacy. Here’s why:

No race? No problem. Competition isn’t a prerequisite for exploration. Discover for yourself, sans bib, course marking, or aid station, what magic the backcountry has to offer. Instead of amassing a pile of finisher medals, our spirit might be better satisfied seeking out a few wilderness experiences.

Call for Comments (from Meghan)

Kachina Peaks Wilderness Area. Photo: Ian Torrence


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Behind the Rocks Wilderness Study Area. Photo: iRunFar/Meghan Hicks

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Ian Torrence :has completed 163 ultras, with 50 wins. Ian works as an online coach at McMillan Running. Information about his ultramarathon coaching services can be found at McMillanrunning.com. You can also catch up with Ian at his blog.

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  • This is an excellent primer on Federal lands. As someone who has worked on government-owned lands as a scientist for multiple government agencies for over a decade, understanding land ownership and management (especially by the Federal government) can be incredibly complex. There is great opportunity for trail racing on Federal lands, and the last piece of advice is golden: "Become familiar with land-use administration. “Realize this is a give-and-take relationship and that land-use managers have guidelines and rules that they have to follow,” shares Garland. “Educate yourself about policies and the procedures that they have to abide by, so you know where they’re coming from. Permits take time to work through. One to two years lead time isn’t uncommon.”

  • This is a very thorough detailing of land use issues in the US. Great job Ian! it will be interesting if the legislation Orrin Hatch of Utah and other are sponsoring to allow mtn biking in Wilderness passes. I am a mountain biker as well but strongly disagree with bikes in wilderness. I feel strongly that small trail races can be help responsibly in wilderness areas, however there is a lot more land available to hold races outside of wilderness. I think dealing with the confusion and bureaucracy of working with federal agencies discourages many would-be race directors. I do informal group runs in wilderness all the time and love that they are remote and free of commercialism and human intrusion.

    • Isn't running into Wilderness as a group the definition of "human intrusion"?

      Excellent write-up, Ian. Very informative.

  • What a fantastic article. Thank you for presenting all of the information in such a great, straight forward manner Ian! I am a NEPA specialist and understanding that process - the level of coordination and often multiple invested parties - has given me a great level of respect for what those who manage our national lands have to deal with.

  • Thanks for this comprehensive write up.
    This is a very complicated issue.
    It's kind of frustrating to see as a runner/hiker that we get restrictions while others (Oil and Gas/ cattle on BLM land) can waste the land as much as they want.

  • Thanks, Ian, for the great article! For me, the most important point is how critical it is for us to be good stewards of the land. It won't allow us to get everything we might want, but it will go a long way toward building good relationships with both permitting agencies and other land use groups. These relationships and our integrity are the foundation for anything we plan to create.

  • Thank you for this. Running and hiking has turned me into something of an open space/public lands advocate, and I find the recent radical rightwing movement against public lands (Bundys, etc.) very distressing.

  • Is Torrence a lawyer? Because his description of how to interpret legal documents is just wrong. No, you do not have to consider the Act's purpose as a whole.

  • Wow! Just reading this for the first time. Well written and thorough Ian. Thanks for sharing. This is a great info for our community and a great start to hopefully discussing more about how we, as trail runners, can be an informed an educated group when it comes to public lands and the issues they face. Thanks again!

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